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Welcome back to Terrible Tuesome Tuesday, where two sisters tell you a haunted story and every tale comes with a side of family drama. I'm Ashley, I'm Simone, and today's episode is Alcatraz Island.

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So one time when I was like seven and you were like two, mom and dad did a tour of Alcatraz, and I went to a private school at the time. It was like a Christian school. And interesting. Um they brought back they brought back shirts. Excuse me. They brought back shirts that said property of Alcatraz Island, and then it had like a stamp over it that said reject too cute. And I had no fucking idea what any of this thing on the shirt. I didn't know what Alcatraz was. I didn't know what what it was saying. Also, a weird shirt. Weird shirt, yes. But I was like, I'm gonna wear this to school tomorrow. And mom was like, Oh, I don't think that's a good idea. You're like, I'm gonna wear my 666 shirt tomorrow. Did you happen to get me a pentagram shirt? And look at you now.

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What good what good did Christian school do you? I'm a good Christian girl still. You are a hoe. You were a hoe then, you're a hoe now. Uh so Alcatraz Island. Have you ever been there? No, I have not. I've we've been to San Francisco. Yes. Funny story. I'm gonna tell this story. So one time I was like probably eight, and you were 13, and you and me and mom and grandma went on a vacation, and we went like tons of places. We went to like San Francisco and Carmel and Monterey Bay, like we drove all over the place. It was such a fun vacation. Yeah. Um, when we got to San Francisco, this was so I was eight, so it was like 1996. Um, and there was a man walking down the street and he was wearing like a tank top, like a crop top tank top with like a flower on it and short booty shorts and like some like womenly shoes. And I said, Mom, why is he dressed like that? And mom was like, she was very cool about it. She was like, It's you know, some people like to dress like that, and that's fine. He's not hurting anyone, like it's it's cool, don't worry about it. And I was like, All right, whatever. Didn't mention it again the entire trip. We did so much shit. We did so much, it was like a week that we did all this stuff. We come home, I walk in the house, and I say, Dad, I and she told me they're called transvestites. Like back then that's what you called them. Like, yeah, you don't say that now because it's fucking offensive, but and so I walk in the house and I say, Dad, I saw a transvestite. And he looks at my mom like or our mom, like, what the fuck? And she goes, We were in San Francisco, and he's like, Oh, but and mom was like, all the stuff we did, and that's the first thing you tell dad a birth. Yeah, that was a really fun trip. It was so much fun. Um, I also remember when we were stuck in traffic for literally what felt like 10 hours, and um, someone was on the side of the road and she was like walking into the woods to obviously like go to the bathroom, and mom paid me five dollars to roll down the window and go, I know what you're doing. And sh that girl got really embarrassed. Oh man. That was also the first time grandma called us shit ass. Yep, and we laughed hysterically so hard. And she got so mad that we were laughing.

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And apparently that's like a native thing for an we're Native American.

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And we are registered Native Americans. Yeah, like we have paperwork. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Um I don't I definitely don't look like it. No, not at all. Um, but apparently that's like a native thing to call people shit ass. And uh the first time she called us that we were like, what the fuck?

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We were shadassed, laughing so hard. And then she told me to put a fork in and then she took it out of her teeth and she was like yelling at us, and she was like and we were laughing so hard.

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Stop laughing at grandma. She's gonna punish us for this.

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Yeah from the she's in this room right now, like you stuck a fork in it.

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Uh, Misty Grandma, love you. You were a real one. Can't believe I haven't felt like a hit on the back of my head yet. Yeah, you're like in the back of your knee. Yeah.

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Okay, let's talk about it. So this actually starts way before the prison was ever built. Uh, before the prison was ever there, Alcatraz Island already had a complicated history filled with folklore and violence and death. An indigenous tribe called the Alone inhabited what is today known as San Francisco. There were over fifty different tribes of Ohlone that stretched from San Francisco to Monterey Bay. Equality among the members of the tribe was common. Um even the chiefs were not really in charge, but more of like a consultant if there was conflict. The shaman of the tribes were thought to be the most powerful figures, um, and they were thought to have natural abilities to heal people and perform the tribal rites. For thousands of years, the Alone lived off the island and they were relatively peaceful. They didn't really fuck with each other until the Spanish landed um in 1775 and began dismantling the Alone way of life through missions and Christianity conversions. Of course. Yes. I don't know what it is like, I don't not it's just so weird.

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We I don't I don't want to hear about it. I mean the of some people to just be like, I'm coming up on your space and I'm going to change everything about it and preach to you about something that I can't prove is in existence. And they've probably never even read the fucking Bible. More than likely.

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Uh the Spanish invasion of the Alone's land obviously brought disease, but they were also forced to live in missionaries that were unsanitary, and a lot of the Alonis were slaughtered after they refused to convert to Christianity. In just 50 years, the Alonis lost 8,000 of its members. Jesus. Once the U.S. bought California and had plans to turn Alcatraz Island into a military fort, the Alonis were no longer owners of the land, but sparse inhabitants, and they were held as prisoners on the island. However, the Alonis considered living on what they deemed as a haunted island better than living with the Spanish. Oh my god. Um they also knew that the Spanish had their own trepidations about the island, and they the Spanish mostly stayed away from it. So they were like, that's fine, you stay over there, we'll stay over here. Well, hell yeah, I'd move over there too. Yeah. The Spanish claimed that a red-eyed monster lived on the island, but the Alone's but to the Alone's the Spanish were referring to what they called the Mata Cogmi, who they believed to be a friend of the tribes. The Mata Cogmi is basically Bigfoot. Um, and they believed that Bigfoot helped people who were hurt or lost. Uh, they had claimed to see Bigfoot and said that the creature had sympathetic eyes and never portrayed any malice. Uh y you watched Harry and the Hendersons.

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Oh, I hate that movie. Why? Oh, I hate that movie so much. Bigfoot's nice though. I know, it's not him that I hate. He will eat your goldfish. And your corsage.

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Oh my god, I forgot about that part. I loved that part. Yeah. I loved when the little baby Bigfoot came out at the end. Yeah. I loved that. And he he got to go back to his family.

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I know, I just hate that movie. I don't know. I just don't like it. Don't question me about it. Okay.

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I have a thing for Bigfoot. Not like a sexual thing, but like you're not. My husband is pretty hairy from the eyebrows down. You have been obsessed with Bigfoot since you were little. I know, I don't know what it is. And I find it insulting when people like make up shit about Bigfoot. Okay, don't take it personally. That's what I'm gonna do when I die. I'm gonna go to Bigfoot's house. His house? Yes. I assume he lives in a house. Anyway. The Aloneys came to believe that the Mata Kogmi was actually protecting them on the island and were not afraid of him. However, they were scared of what was called Buckwas. The legend says that Buckwas have many times been mistaken for Bigfoot because they're similar in appearance, like they're tall and hairy. But Bigfoot is peaceful and ice, and buckwas are said to be evil. They're known to be undead drowning victims and appear as swollen corpses whose goal is to make you into one of them by drowning you in a nearby bottle body of water that they live in. This was the entity that the Alone's believed was inhabiting the island when they sent their tribal criminals there. Because that they they would send people who would commit crimes to the island. Sadly, the Spanish stopped caring about whatever monster they thought was there and eventually conquered the island to increase trade routes. Capitalism will always win. By 1850, the U.S. purchased California, including Alcatraz, and used the island as a coastal defense. During the Civil War, American leadership was concerned that the Confederacy could use the West Coast as part of an invasion tactic. So in 1853, the Army Corps of Engineers were sent to the island to build a military post. One of the assistant engineers had diary entries that detailed compasses not working, breathing from an unknown un unknown unknown source in the powder room, and whispering under the foundation. What? Yeah, I don't like I don't something about that. Makes it claustrophobic. One man volunteered to sleep outside by the by the artillery room. When asked why, he simply replied, they walked the halls after midnight. He was sent back to the mainland for mental health evaluations. That was probably just his way of getting out of the military. Military prisoners were chained underground in what was called dry tombs. One night a guard who was always reliable and highly skeptic of any hauntings was found outside speechless and his hands were frozen and blue, even though the weather was not cold enough to do that. When he finally spoke days later, he repeated, They marched right past me. They weren't men. That man died three months later. Oh my god. Yeah. In 1854, the West Coast's first ever lighthouse was constructed. This is pretty creepy. The groundskeeper that manned the lighthouse complained of sleeplessness and the constant feeling of being watched. Wait, was the lighthouse on the island? Yes. Okay. One night there was a storm and the light in the lighthouse went out. The keeper that was there that night was found locked inside and unconscious with a bloody nose. There were also claw marks in the stone floor as if he were trying to claw his way out, and he doesn't remember anything. Jesus. During the Spanish American War, when the island was inhabited by soldiers, loud exploding sounds could be heard going off at night even though the cannons were not operating, and shadows were often seen in the fields with no person in sight. One man shot his gun at what he swore was a person wearing a Spanish military uniform, but no one was ever found. In 1870, the prison barracks were moved above ground, but men still reported parano paranormal happenings. The first floor of the barracks once caught fire, but no one could ever find a source for the fire. Several soldiers said they heard a voice coming from inside a room on the first floor right before the fire started, and the voice was saying, This is not your home. The chaplain living on the island was asked to perform a cleansing. The chaplain said the island was hostile and said he could see fucked up faces pressing up against the windows. That's a direct quote of the stockade building, but the building was always found to be empty. Later, the same chaplain had thrown himself off a cliff of the island. Oh my god. A little dramatic. A note was found nailed to his door that said, You cannot bless but does not wish to be healed. I understand. I don't want to be healed. Okay. I'm just kidding. In 1878, lightning struck part of a building of the military complex and collapsed a wall. It exposed a chamber that was not on any blueprints. Inside the chamber they found the bones of the size of a child, accompanied by a drawing of a sun with an eye in the middle of it. Which to me sounds Illuminati-esque.

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Okay. Right? Yeah, I can see that. I mean, usually a triangle, but Oh.

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You're right.

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Yeah.

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After the war, Alcatraz was one of the first islands to be defunded by the government, and by 1884, there was practically nothing of use left. By 1901, all the leftover artillery and guns were sold off. However, the military prisons still existed and prisoners were still being held there. Now that the human activity had calmed down, uh the paranormal activity had a chance to like really flourish. Yes, have their time in the sun. Okay. One story regales a restocking ship dropping off supplies when five men started to hear drums. They tracked down the sound and see a group of indigenous people in a circle around a fire, pounding on drums and dancing and chanting. They started to walk over, but when to tell them like they couldn't have a fire that close to the wooden dock. But before they even took three steps, the entire group disappeared right in front of them. Creepy. Groups of indigenous people could be reported to be seen by inmates and guards both outside and inside the eventual prison. So even today, um, when mediums go there, they can see indigenous groups like around the prison.

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Jeez.

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Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary was built in August of 1934 after the United States Department of Justice was pressured to stop the increase of crime spurring from the Great Depression in the 20s and 30s. It was believed that by building the prison on an island, it was inescapable and housed the country's most notorious and dangerous criminals who were thought to be the past uh past the point of rehabilitation. The first group of prisoners to arrive at Alcatraz on August 11th, 1934 were 137 men from Leavenworth, Kansas, who were mostly serving time for bank robberies and or murder. Okay. The maximum capacity for the prison was 336, but the highest the population ever got was 275.

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Oh, okay.

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The Federal Bureau of Prisons claimed that Alcatraz was to be the prison system's prison, since the majority of the population was prisoners that could not conform to the rules and regulations of regular prisons. Um, because of this, Alcatraz was known to be high security, low privilege, where prisoners had little rights and almost nothing to do besides work and follow the rules. Once a prisoner was labeled conformed, usually around the five-year mark, which I think is it's not like they had like rehabilitation.

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Right.

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They could be transferred back to the prison that they were originally sentenced to.

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Okay. I thought once you were at Levin North or uh Alcatraz, you were at Alcatraz for life.

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No, they'll send you back if you're like not a dick. Okay. But most of them stayed there. Okay. For the first year, um, things were pretty good. There were no major disturbances or offenses committed that were newsworthy, so the government was pretty convinced that their plan to house dangerous criminals were working. There were some structural problems, which when you put a bunch of fucking concrete on an island, that's gonna happen. That makes sense. Uh, but they remodeled in 1940 and they were good. The so-called success of the prison, however, would quickly deteriorate after deteriorate after former prisoners had reported the inhumane conditions and the cruel and unusual punishments used against them. Uh listen, um regular prison doesn't really work. Like, not a lot of people were more about incarceration than rehabilitation. Right. Uh so I'm not really sure why they thought, like, you know, the worst of the worst? Let's put them all together. Right. Like, let's put them all, let's they all live together on this island. Yeah. But what do I know?

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So did the guards live there, or did they like take a boat back to San Francisco?

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Yeah, so good question. Good question, Ashley. Okay. Uh all of the employees lived on the island. So they had housing for like the guards. Okay. And the warden had it their own house, and then like um, you know, like janitors and stuff. They all there's like you can still see the buildings where they lived in. We're gonna talk about the hauntings, obviously. We're also to do that, we have to talk about like the escape attempts. Not all of them, but just some of them, because that's where most of the hauntings come from. The most famous of cell blocks, D block, contained six punishment cells, also known as the hole. These cells were completely diminished of light and empty with the exception of a hole in the ground to be used as a bathroom.

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Oh my god, that's awful.

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Yeah. When one inmate had stabbed another with a makeshift shiv, he was placed in cell 14 D. As soon as the cell door closed, he started to scream, he's in here, you locked him in here with me. The guards ignored him, but the screaming continued all night until around three o'clock when the screaming just stopped. When the guards checked on him on him in the morning, the man was dead.

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Oh my god.

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There were bruises around his neck as if he had been strangled, but no cause of death was ever actually found. The story spread throughout the prison, and suddenly cell 14D uh was not a place they wanted to be. No. Basically, they were like, no, thank you. Shortly after this, the guards conducted an inmate count and found one too many prisoners in the lineup. What? Yeah. When they looked at the end of the line, they saw the guy who died in 14D. But as quickly as they saw him, he vanished. Whoa. Can you imagine I like you're lining him up to be like, I gotta make sure I have 14 and not 13. Yeah. And you're like, why do I have 15? Yeah. In 1951, Ellis Candler was sent to Alcatraz to live out the remainder of his sentence after he stabbed an inmate at another prison. He was 19, um, and he was a cocky little fuck. He made fun of the guards and gave them the finger as they locked the door to sell 14D. By the third night he was in there, Candler claimed that there was something in the cell with him and begged the guards to move him.

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Oh, not so cocky now, are we?

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Yeah. He said whatever was in there with him was crouched in the corner of the cell. By day five, they opened the doors and Candler was curled up on the floor, totally silent, and his fingernails were torn up. Ooh. He faintly said, There were two of us, but I was the only one breathing.

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These are so ominous. Like why don't you just say, like, there was a motherfucking thing in here?

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There was a ghost in here. He never recovered and was transferred to a psychiatric hospital where he died by suicide. Oh. Yeah. I you know, if the feds thought that a prison on an island was gonna stop them from trying to escape, they vastly underrated the ingenuity of gangsters and thieves. In total, there were 14 recorded escape attempts from Alcatraz, resulting in 23 inmates caught, two drownings, six inmates shot and killed, and five inmates labeled as missing, presumed dead. Oh dang. One of those inmates, whose name was Joseph Dutch Bowers, was serving 25 years for male robbery. Wow, okay. The fucked up thing about Dutch is that Alcatraz was known to hold only those who committed the most heinous crimes or were too much trouble in a regular prison. Um he was just a regular criminal. He literally stole sixteen dollars and thirty-eight cents, which is the equivalent of like four hundred dollars today.

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That seems like a crazy punishment for $400.

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Don't think the punishment fit the crime here. Sadly, he had tried to commit suicide multiple times, but the prison psychiatrist said he was doing it for attention. At only 40 years old, he was shot and killed by a guard after he tried to make a run for it after a yard time, making it halfway over the fence before dying. Guards and fishermen have reported seeing a spirit wandering the shoreline where he died. 25 years for 400 in America's like most dangerous prison at the end. Yeah. Like, okay. I I see nothing's really changed. Right. The Department of Justice said, fuck these people. By the way, I watched a documentary. It was called The Alabama Solution. I almost cried. It was incredibly sad. And the Alabama Department of Corrections should be ashamed of themselves for treating people like animals. Anyway, that was my soapbox. Okay. Here's another escape attempt. Thomas Limerick was serving life in prison after robbing a National Guard armory and multiple banks. Do you remember the people who you know the you know the the armored trucks that go to banks? So our mom worked in a bank like our whole lives, and she would get so excited when those guys because they're always like big, yeah, swollen people.

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Oh yeah, like, oh Rick is here. I know.

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Our mom was a flirt.

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Flirt.

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If there was anything she knew how to do, it was how to flirt.

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Oh yeah.

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Um good for her.

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And dad just like laughed at her. Yeah. He did not give a shit.

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He was a confident man. You always said, I know who she's coming home to. And then something weird and sexual. Yeah. That we didn't need to hear. Yeah. Sometimes I look back at that and think, why did you guys do that? Torture us with that. Yeah. But also good for them. Yeah. They were married 30 years and still wanted to have sex with each other. That's true. Good for them. Anyway, Thomas Limerick, his criminal life began when he was 15 after his dad's death left his family with little resources. James Tex Lucas was serving 30 years for bank robbery and grand theft auto, but was also serving a concurrent 128-year sentence handed down from Texas for robbery, murder, and escape attempts. Jesus Christ. He was only 22 when he was sentenced to Alcatraz. Well, at Alcatraz, Alcatraz, he started a work strike, did all sorts of things against the rules, and even tried to kill Al Capone. Holy cow. Yeah, I would not recommend that. Rufus Whitey Franklin holds the record for the most time served in t solitary confinement at Alcatraz. Do you think they like get credit for that?

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I don't know. Among the other prisoners. Yeah, do you think that they're like, oh my god, here he comes. Yeah. He served the most time in solitary confinement. Yeah, I would expect people to cheer when I came back. For sure.

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Yeah. Whitey had spent the majority of his life in prison, mostly for robbery and assault charges. Limerick, Tex, and Whitey had tried to escape Alcatraz by getting to the roof of the woodworking building. Before escaping, one of the inmates killed the guard with a hammer, and once on the roof, they tried to kill they tried to climb the guard tower to take out the guard on shift. Before that could happen, Limerick was shot and killed. Whitey was wounded, and Tex surrendered. Whitey and Tex were sentenced to life in prison for the murder of the guard and were sent to solitary confinement. After this escape attempt attempt, a number of guards had reported spotting an inmate trying to escape from the roof of the waterworking building, but when the inmate gets close to the guard tower, he disappears. Oh creepy. Yeah. On the northwestern corner of the rock, that's what people call the island. And I don't know. It's whatever. The four-story model industries building was used as a workshop for inmates to be employed while they served their sentences. After Alcatraz was closed, people reported a guard walking around the ruins of the building as if he was making his rounds during his regular shift. He always carried his club and looked around as if looking at the inmates working and regulating their behavior. People have said that if the guard looks at the living people, he'll stare at them suspiciously as if they're prisoners, and if you approach him, he'll shake his head and disappear. Dang. Roger Rogers Rangers who work there today have claimed that this guard is that of Officer Royal Klein, who was killed with the hammer when Limerick, Whitey, and Tex tried to escape. Okay. I love that all these ghosts have background stories. Yeah. Like that's a I think that's my favorite part about this whole story is that every ghost is like, that guy was killed.

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Right. Here, and that guy did this. They're almost like a like a monument on the island almost, like, oh, over there is Whitey. Over there is Royal Klein. And this is how he died.

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Yeah, and we're not even at the best part, um, which is exactly what you said. It's like a like a monument. An inmate at Alcatraz named Bernard Coy was serving a life sentence for robbery and worked in maintenance for the prison. His job allowed him to memorize the patterns of the guards and their schedules, specifically what time of the day that guards were left on their own. Coy and five other inmates had started planning their escape using Coy's knowledge of the prison schedule and the layout of their artillery cells. One of the inmates, Joe Kretzer, was a notorious criminal and at one point was number four on the FBI's most wanted list. What did he do? I don't know. Oh, okay. Now talking about research. Sam Shockley, probably bank robbery, because that's what most of them are there. Yeah. It's shocking how easy it was to rob banks back then. I know. Like why everybody's doing it. Everyone's doing it. Sam Shockley was serving life in Alcatraz for kidnapping and bank robbery, but was also what would be known today as severely autistic, having the mind of a child. One afternoon, inmate Marvin Hubbard distracted the guard on duty while Coy snuck up behind him and overpowered him. Coy then took off his clothes and covered his body in grease so he could easily slip through the bars to the gun gallery. Where'd they get the grease? Well, I don't, you know, it's prison. Okay. I don't know. With clubs and guns, they took nine guards hostage and started to open as many cell doors as possible so inmates could get out. Oh my god. But after the inmates had learned their plan, they were like, I'm good. And they went back in their cells. I don't know how bad your escape plan has to be for all of the inmates to be like, I'm just gonna stay here. I'm just gonna go back in my cell. The six inmates that were part of the plan went to the yard door to unlock it, but none of the keys would work. They didn't know it, but the officer that they stole the keys from had managed to somehow get that particular key off the ring before giving them. Oh, smart. And hid it in the toilet of the cell they locked him in. Oh shit. I know. The inmates, I would, I would not. I'd be like, here you go. Yeah. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. Goodbye. I guess that's why I'm not a prison guard. The inmates grew significantly frustrated and angry since their escape plan was not working out. Um, and you can see now why all the other inmates are like, I'm not going down for this. They started to block off the entrances they knew the guards would start using to try to get into the sea block, making it impossible for them to get the riot under control. The warden called in the Marines and the Coast Guard. I just have to tell you, I think the Coast Guard is underrated. Okay. I just think they have an important If I was in the military, I'd want to be in the Coast Guard. You get to ride around on boats and ships and like detain pirates. Okay. I never thought about that. And they like the if there's like a huge drug bust, they're like, those drug busts are humongous. They are. Like the Coast Guard is pretty badass. I never thought about it. I d I think anyone in the military is probably like, you know, respectable. No, that's not true. I think most military people are very respectable. Okay. Um, but I don't know. I just think the Coast Guard people don't talk about it enough. They don't. One of my best friends is in the special forces. Like he's a green beret. Um Are you supposed to tell people that? Yeah. He's fine. I'm not he doesn't even tell me things, so it's probably because I say them on the big mask. Um but he won't he won't really tell me what he does. I think that's weird.

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I think that's weird too, but he probably can't. I think he can. I think he just doesn't want to talk about it. Well, that's probably true.

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His wife told me he kills bad guys. And I said, Okay. That sounds good. Thank you for what you do. Um anyway, the Marines and the Coast Guard started to toss explosives into the cells. Inmates who were not part of the plan were hiding behind mattresses and hearing bullets hit the springs and foam. Oh my god. The Marines climbed to the roof and drilled holes to lower explosives into the cells. Being cornered and overpowered, the escapees went into the utility corridor, which is basically like a big hallway between the cell blocks and the wreck yard, and they hunkered down for the next few hours until the shots finally stopped. After they started to clear the prison, they found Kretzer, Coy, and Hubbard dead in the utility corridor. Oh dang. The three other inmates that had abandoned the plan and went back to their cells, uh, they two of them were put to death by the gas chamber, and one received a 99-year sentence for his part in the escape plan. That that seems excessive. It does seem also gas chamber? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

I'm that this is what was happening in the 40s. I mean let's let's look at Krista Pike, who was they tried to put to death yesterday or two days ago and she survived.

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And her and her attorneys tried to say, like, hey, she has like collapsed veins, and like that doesn't really work out. And that's like basically exactly what happened. We didn't hit a vein. Yeah. I but I don't condone what she did. What she did was fucking terrible. And I do think I don't believe in the death penalty. Um, like I don't agree with it. I do think she should live her life in prison for what she did. Yeah. However, um, if you try to kill somebody and it doesn't work, yeah, you don't get to try again. No. As a result, the utility corridor was sealed shut, but later, as a guard was walking past the sealed door, he could hear footsteps in the corridor as if someone was walking in heavy boots. He stopped and waited until suddenly he heard three loud knocks on the door from the other side. They pried open the corridor door, but no one was there, and there was no evidence that anyone had been there. One guard saw an apparition of an inmate in their prison uniform walk through the door to the corridor with his face riddled with bullets. Oh my god. A paranormal investigator once went to the prison when it was open to the public, and when he got to the corridor, he could hear light tapping noises that started to get louder, followed by something that sounded like someone dragging something heavy across the floor. Huh. I don't like something about like the doors sealed and you're like hearing stuff. I don't know. It's like five inmates named Arthur Doc Barker, Dale Stamphill, William Martin, Rufus McCain, and Henry Young teamed together to try to escape Alcatraz using copper wire to saw through the metal bars and then hid the marks using wax and paint. I used to work as a clerk for a judge, and I was always amazed at the imagination and resourcefulness of criminals. Yeah. Particularly like meth heads. One time a cop somehow found out that a guy had figured out how to replace his nicotine vape with meth. Oh my god. And I just remember thinking, like, man, if you put that kind of skill into like a trade, no kidding. You would be great. No kidding. You could be like the world's best welder. Right? Um, on a foggy night in January of 39, the five inmates pulled the pre-cut bars apart and slipped out of their windows. They immediately split up into two groups and started to create makeshift rafts out of driftwood and like random shit from the docks. McCain, Young, and Martin set sail on their very shitty raft. But the farther they got out into the bay, McCain started to get very nervous and finally confessed to his prison besties that he couldn't swim. Oh my god. He started to rock the raft from his because he was like nervous. Um, and they had to turn around to the docks where the prison guards were waiting for them.

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Oh my god, how embarrassing.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

For real. They surrendered with no further incident. Also, that's something you should say before we get on our little makeshift boat. Yeah. Doc, Barker, and Stamphill were seen on the shore by a launch boat, but after refusing to surrender, they were both shot multiple times in the legs, and Barker was shot in the face. He died a few hours later. The remaining inmates were sent to the hole, and Young and McCain spent a few months in separ segregation. A year after their escape attempt, Young stabbed McCain to death with a shiv. Probably still pretty pissed about his whole I never learned to swim thing. Before McCain died, he spent his remaining days in the hospital ward with his injury, going in and out of consciousness in excruciating pain. Today, a spirit can be seen in a prisoner's uniform, running through the halls of the prison, but before he can reach a door, he'll grab his stomach and fall to the floor and then disappear. Oh, weird. One of the most famous prisoners at Alcatraz was Robert the Birdman Stroud. Although the movie The Birdman of Alcatraz portrayed Stroud as pleasant and harmless, he was really anything but. He had a hard life with an alcoholic and abusive father. He ran away to Alaska at just thirteen. When he was eighteen, uh he entered his first career as a motherfucking PIMP. Oh, there we go. But when a bartender didn't pay one of his employees, Stroud shot and robbed him and was sentenced to twelve years at the McNeil Island Penitentiary, where he was less than a stellar inmate. He once stabbed another inmate and would steal drugs from the hospital orderlies. Oh my god. Uh when one orderly reported him, he beat the fuck out of him and got six months added to a sentence and was ordered to spend the remainder of his time at Leavenworth. One day Stroud's brother came to Leavenworth to have a little visit, but because Stroud was being a dick, the warden wouldn't let him see his brother. Stroud stabbed a guard in front of eleven hundred inmates and was sentenced to death by hanging. His sentence was eventually commuted by President Wilson to life in prison, and the warden put him in solitary confinement for his entire sentence. Which I think is torture. Yeah. I don't agree with solitary confinement. Um like a couple days, I guess, whatever, but like there are prisoners who live in solitary confinement their entire time. Yeah. And I just That's torture. Yeah, and I don't have a solution. No. But I don't like that. One day when he was allowed his one hour a day in the wreckyard, he found an injured bird. He brought it back to his cell and nursed it back to health. Oh. This would give Stroud's life in prison some meaning, becoming entrenched in ornithology and breeding and keeping birds in his cell to study. He actually wrote two books on canaries, and they were well respected uh literary works among ornithologists. Unfortunately, Stroud was using some of that equipment he was given for his birds to make alcohol.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Okay. Could have been worse.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

Could never be just like an altruistic Yeah. Just stick with the birds. Right. Uh he was sent to Alcatraz in 1942, where he was not allowed to keep birds. While in Solitary at Alcatraz, he wrote two more books, one outlining the prison system and the creation of the Federal Bureau of Prisons. He was eventually moved out of solitary and into a cell in the hospital ward because he had deteriorating health conditions. When his condition worsened, he was moved to a prison in Missouri where he eventually died in 1963. He didn't die in Alcatraz, obviously, and he hated the prison because he wasn't allowed to keep or study his birds. But I guess that hasn't stopped him from coming back after death because people have seen a person with Stroud's description standing outside cells and studying tourists. People have also seen him pacing around the medical ward and they hear birds from his cell in D block.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

Oh, so the birds are even haunting Alcatraz.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Yes, he brought the birds with him. He has also been known, I love this, to tell mediums who visit the island and can like see and hear him that there's a movie about him. Oh, oh my god. Like there's a movie about me. Oh my god. Stroud was an Aquarius. Okay. I had to look it up. I was surprised. That it I've That's a fire sign move. But Aquarians are known to be creative and value freedom and love helping their community, which I thought was interesting because he like loved the birds. Yeah. And he was like creative and like wrote books and stuff. That it this literally has nothing to do with anything except my annoying habit of confining everyone to their astrological science. When Al Capone arrived at Alcatraz, he seemed himself for the most part. Besides being incarcerated with the worst of American criminals, he was leisurely and chill because he was Al Capone and he could do whatever the fuck he wanted. But after a few weeks, he stopped sleeping and asked to be isolated. He mentioned a man named Jimmy who came at night to stand at the end of his bed calling his name out of revenge. Jimmy, I read somewhere Jimmy was like someone that Capone fucked over. Okay. And he killed. And so he was like being haunted by him. Capone began screaming at night for the whole prison to hear. When guards would check on him, he claimed that there was a man in the corner of his room, but there was never anyone there. His health started declining due to starvation. He would sit on the floor of the shower playing his banjo for hours and sometimes talking to himself. Didn't he have syphilis? Yes. Okay. Uh they moved him to the prison hospital and he mentally declined quickly due to syphilis. But the inmates that were housed with Capone said that they had never seen him so scared, and they attributed it to the spirit that was following him and tormenting him. When Capone was eventually transferred out of the prison because of his health condition, his banjo remained behind. An inmate named William Red Johnson was housed in the cell next to Capone's old cell. At night after the lights were off, he swore he could hear the banjo music and is still heard today by visitors on the island. Oh dang. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

I didn't realize that he could play the banjo. I didn't either.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

I guess I mean, not that I know a lot about Al Capone, but what I find interesting is that they got him on tax evasion. Right? Yeah. Like that's what and that of all the things. That strategy has been used to there was like some girl, her name was Amanda something, and she um scammed a bunch of people into thinking that she had cancer. I think it's what apple cider vinegar from Netflix is based off of, but that's how they got her. Yeah. It was tax evasion. Cause they they thought they were like we couldn't get out they couldn't get Al Capone on anything but like taxes. So they got her on like wiring money illegally. Yeah. There's a podcast about it called Scamanda. It was pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

Scamanda. I think I watched something on like Hulu or Netflix called Scamanda.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Yeah. I don't know why, but those stories are so interesting to me. Oh, me too. In the 1950s, there's a win there was a notoriously asshole guard who everyone hated. And when an inmate got put in the hole for throwing his dinner tray at another inmate, this dickhead guard beat the offender before putting him in his cell. Later, when the guard was doing his rounds, he swore he saw this inmate out of his cell near the infamous cell D 14. The guard yelled out for the inmate to put his hands up, but as the guard approached him, the inmate just turned at the guard, and as the guard got closer, he noticed the inmate's eyes were radiating red. Once the guard got close enough, he realized that this was not the inmate he put in his cell earlier, but someone he didn't recognize at all. Before he could do anything, the apparition gave the guard a sinister smile and walked around the corner. When the guard ran after him, he was pushed to the ground and he could hear laughter coming from D block. The guard got up to go after the apparition again, but found no one. Inmates from this time say they all saw this apparition many times, and it mainly went after the guards that were particular assholes. Oh good for them. I love that. Yeah. I love that about them. Uh the basement of Alcatraz, also known as the dungeon, was used for the most cruel and torturous punishments against inmates who were known to break the wardens' rules. Once the guards closed the doors to the dungeon, it was completely dark and the floor was covered in water. Every few hours the guards would come back down to the dungeon and make loud noises, so if anyone had somehow been able to fall asleep, they would be woken up and sleep deprived. The inmates were given bread and water for nourishment, and even though they were supposed to get hot soup once every three days, the guards hardly ever fulfilled that duty. If the guards were being big dickheads that day, they would splash buckets of cold water on the inmates and leave them to shiver until the water dried. According to the federal law, inmates were only allowed to be held in solitary conditions for a maximum of 19 days. However, in Alcatraz, the rules never really seemed to apply, and they spent months in the dungeon, and there are reports of suicide and psychological breakdowns after leaving. Today, visitors and employees can hear men shouting from the dungeon under cell block A. Although the rangers that work in the prison today aren't allowed to talk about any of the hauntings, most have experienced something paranormal within the prison walls. One ranger heard screaming coming from the dungeon, and thinking it was a lost tourist, she went downstairs to search for them. She called out to what she thought was the tourist and kept getting answers, but the voice would come from different sections of the basement every time. She never found any person in her search and didn't tell anyone about her experience for months. When she finally mustered the courage to say something, all her co-workers came clean that they too had a similar experience in the same place. Another ranger said that one day he was preparing a ghost for a ghost tour that the prison was holding that night when he suddenly heard crying coming from the basement. He walked over to the door that was locked and asked if someone was behind the door. From behind the door he heard a whisper that said, I'm locked in, can you please help me? Even though the basement was not part of any tours and it was nearly impossible for someone to get down there, the ranger told the person he would be right back with keys. He could hear a woman say, Please don't leave me, and that she was afraid. The ranger left to go find the keys and ran into a coworker. He told him that what was happening and told him to go find the keys to let the woman out while he went back to comfort her. When he got back to the door, the basement of the basement, he could hear sobbing and began to try to calm her down by talking to her. He said she told him that she didn't know how she got in the basement and that she was scared. He asked the woman to come to the window in the door so he could talk to her face to face, but she said she couldn't find him, and that I've been down here for so long, why can't I go home? When someone finally came with keys to the door, no one was there and no one could explain this disembodied voice.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

Dang, so it's an intelligent spirit.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

It was like a whole conversation.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

Yeah. Yeah. And so there were never ever new women at Alcatraz, were there?

SPEAKER_01 44:15

Not in the prison. Um but there were like there were indigenous people and Oh, yeah, from before the prison was there. Yeah, and whoever else, you know, like during the Spanish American War. So I don't there's also like people can hear babies crying. Oh my god, that's awful. Yeah. Even the warden had a little ghostly encounter in the basement when he was giving a tour of the prison's new maximum security cell block while the prison was still in operation. During the tour, the warden and his visitors heard a quote, strange eerie wail from below them. The cries started to get louder and louder, and it became clear that somewhere a woman was sobbing. The visitors started to comment that the wailing sounded as if it was coming from the walls, and suddenly a gust of cold wind swept across them and the crying stopped. This part is my favorite part, and I don't know why. Even though Warden Johnston was vehement veh vehemently Okay, find another word. Even though Warden Johnston was very against anything paranormal, this wouldn't be the last time he had to admit that something fucked up was happening. The Wardens of Alcatraz had their own mansion known as the Ho House, which is also what I call your house.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

Oh. There's some hoes in this house.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

There's some hoes in this house. Three stories tall and holding 17 rooms, Wardens would throw ornate ornate parties. I was really in a fucking mood when I wrote this. Would throw ornate parties and would use inmates as servants. The inmates fucked up. The inmates actually didn't mind because whatever job they were given there was better than whatever they were doing at the prison. Okay. Um one night when Warden Johnston was throwing a huge Christmas party, inmates were there serving the guests, and guards were lining the walls. Suddenly, out of nowhere, a man in a grey suit and hat appeared in front of all of the guests, inmates and guards. This wouldn't have been insane, except the man was see-through. Okay. It just said the man looked around the room, sighed heavily, and then a cold gust went through the room that was so powerful it put out the fire coming from the fireplace. Holy cow. Yes. I think this man is a Capricorn.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

I mean, to look around at a party and and to like shake your head like You know, you sighed heavy like Yeah. My God.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

I guess I could just see my husband doing that and he's a Capricorn. The man vanished, leaving the warden and his guests scratching their heads and probably heading for the door. I pictured the scene from Casper when Casper turns back into a ghost and all the kids run out of the door screaming. Uh, but ain't no way this man looked like Devin Sawa. He might have. I don't think so. Well, you never know. Years later, some guards were playing poker in the mansion when the man showed up again. This time he was wearing a dark suit. I didn't know ghosts. Oh, he has a wardrobe. Yes. I didn't know they could change clothes. The man stood and watched them for a few minutes and then vanished with the cold burst of wind. Huh. Just he likes to make an exit. Yes. Eventually the mansion mostly burned down, but that didn't stop any specters from having parties. Rangers say they could see lights in the ruins of the house gathering in the parlor, as if death could ever stop them from having a good time. They said, I'm here for a long time and a good time. I'm here for eternity and a party. Rangers have also mentioned that you can hear whispered conversations, and um this obviously stressed out man in a suit can be seen standing around the ruins. Probably wondering where the fuck his house went. Right. Who the fuck did this to my house? After Alcatraz had closed down, a group of indigenous people called the Indians of all tribes organized a protest on the island in 1969. There was a treaty from 1868 called the Treaty of Fort Laramie that the court declared any unused federal land would go back to the indigenous tribes in the area. As it should. Yes. And being that Alcatraz is no longer in operation, should be returned to whoever it was taken from. But the activist group maintained living on the island for 19 months. Okay. They these protesters went and lived on this uninhabited island with supplies for 19 months in protest. Okay. That's a crazy long time. That is a long time. While living on Alcatraz, some claimed paranormal happenings. Lights would flicker even though none of the buildings had power. Some people had heard a baby crying at night even though no one had a baby. And footsteps in the rooms that had no occupants. And one recurring apparition they called the Lady in Blue. Three men saw her in the old warden's mansion, look out at the ocean, but when they called to her, she vanished. Some would smell sweet perfume that didn't belong to anyone. When the fire broke out in the warden's mansion and the lightkeeper's residence that no one could trace a source to, some said the fire was moving against the wind, and angry yells and voices could be heard where the flames were coming from, but no one was in the fire. The next morning a man found a charred piece of land that had footsteps burned into the concrete and looked as if someone was going in circles in the fire over and over again.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Oh, that's bizarre.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

Yeah. One ranger tells a story of hearing voices coming from the surgical ward. He could hear whispering while he was doing his rounds and went to the went to I love this part. Went into the room to tell whoever was in there to get out. When he got to the ward, no one was there. He then heard whispering in the room next door, so thinking he's just mistakenly like went into the wrong room. He went to the room next to it and again no one was there. As he walked out, he could hear whispering coming from the hydrotherapy room. This time he stood outside the room and listened to the voices whispering to each other. He heard someone say, Why the hell is that bastard following us? Someone replied, He's a fucking guard. Why do you think? I just feel like maybe one of my first thing I do when I'll die is go hang out with the prisoners.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

Oh my god, they're all intelligent spirits. That's so crazy to me.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

Yeah. The ranger bursted into the room and no one was there as he looked around the room.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

Is that a word?

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Bursted? Bursted? He might have burst into the room. Go on. Was I high when I wrote that? I was a As he looked around the room, he saw something coming at him out of the corner of his eye. A metal tray was thrown at his head, but he ducked just in time. As he stood back in back as he stood back up, he heard a voice say, Leave us the fuck alone, asshole. Oh my god. If I was a ghost in a prison, I would haunt the fuck out of everyone this way. Oh my god. These prisoners sound like a fun time.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

They do. As long as you're not a guard. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

I would never. I'm not an arc. There's one more story of investigation at Alcatraz, and it's pretty crazy. Co-author of the book Ghosts and Legends of Alcatraz, linked in the show notes, Bob Davis, once visited Alcatraz with his family when he was 13 years old. After hearing of the legend cell 14D, the tour guide asked if anyone wanted to be locked in the cell. Bob was a skeptic and he was the only one to volunteer for the task. He's 13. Oh. He walked in, the tour guide shut the door, and he was in total darkness. When asked if he was okay, he said he was fine. But that's when he felt an icy hand grip his shoulder and whisper in his ear, You're mine. Okay. This experience would leave Bob to form a paranormal group called Planet Paranormal. When they toured Alcatraz in their later years, they found quite a bit of evidence of hauntings But one in particular is creepy as fuck and also took place in the medical ward. There were three rooms in the medical ward ward that were kept for patients who were contagious. There are three rooms in this section, two of which are used for storage, and one was basically empty with like three chairs in it. The investigators sat in each of the chairs and tried to get someone to communicate with them, but got nothing. When they left the room, they immediately heard the sound of chairs moving around the concrete floor. And when they went back into the room, all the chairs were rearranged. They tried to communicate again, but again everything was silent. They left and again heard the chairs moving, went back in, and the chairs were in their original positions. They said, Okay, fucker, we are going to get you to talk to us. So they sat back down and one of them said, If you want us to leave, you just have to say so. And as soon as this was said, one of the investigators was shoved backwards into the wall. And this guy apparently was like over six feet tall, like 300 pounds, like shoved into the wall. They then heard a guttural voice yell, get out, and they said, Good call. And they got the fuck out. I probably would have too. So Ash, would you go into cell 14D? Yeah. With the door closed? Yeah. In total darkness? Yeah. I would not.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

Only for a minute. Like don't walk don't go wandering off and doing another like the rest of the tour. Like just stay there for a minute and let me out in a minute.

SPEAKER_01 53:54

Um, I would not. One, I don't know what it is, but prisons, they make me I don't I my like biggest fear is getting like convicted of a crime and going to prison. Me too. I would never make it. No, me either. I don't think I'd even go to Alcatraz, to be honest. Oh, for real? Yeah, I don't like I don't ever want to be in a prison.

SPEAKER_00 54:14

Huh. I would totally Alcatraz.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

No.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Also, I'm really claustrophobic, so do not close that fucking door.

SPEAKER_00 54:24

I wonder if the tour that mom and dad went on was a ghost tour or a regular tour.

SPEAKER_01 54:28

It was probably a regular tour because dad doesn't believe in ghosts.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

Yeah, that's true. I wonder if mom believed in ghosts. I feel like she probably did, but was like, we don't talk about it because then they'll start showing up.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

Yeah, she was kind of a pussy.

SPEAKER_00 54:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

Which is interesting because now she's a ghost.

SPEAKER_00 54:46

Yeah. We talk about her all the time. She doesn't show up.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

Yeah, no shit. I mean, she's like, I got better shit to do. Um, so I have a good what I would do if I died. Okay. Hey, let's hear it. R.I.P. I would go meet Dolly Parton. Oh, that's a good one. I would tell her how much I admired her like wave of feminism. Yeah. Have you ever heard of Dolly Pardon feminism? I have not heard that specific term, no. Like in the 60s and 70s, feminism was about like appearing and acting like a man so that you would like have the same rights and like be respected like a man. Dolly Pardon feminism is basically like enhancing what makes you a woman and still like demanding equal rights. Like I can dress and show my tits if I want, and I can like have big hair and have a lot of makeup and like be myself and still be like respected and have the same rights. Um so I would go to her and I would make her sing my favorite Dolly Parton song. Which is what? The Hen. Here you go again. Is that what it's called? I have no idea if that's what it's called.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

That's your favorite song.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

I fucking love that song.

SPEAKER_00 56:04

Huh. What's your favorite Dolly Parton song? I think nine to five. I just resonate with it so much.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

Also, how can you not love I Will Always Love You?

SPEAKER_00 56:15

Yeah. Did you know that I was just gonna tell I was just gonna say this. Um she received royalties from Whitney Houston's version of I Will Always Love You. She uh like used it to basically like improve part of a community. I don't remember exactly what it was, but she called it like the mall that Whitney Whitney Houston built or something, and it was like basically like a community center or something. I can't really remember, but she used all of the royalties to improve upon bad neighborhood, basically. She was the fucking best.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

Yeah. She was honestly God's gift. She really was. There's a podcast about her, and it's so interesting because she she came from fucking nothing. Nothing. She came like a fucking four-wall shack. Yeah. And sh she made it to fucking Dolly Parton. Like I also just one more fun fact about Dolly Parton, because she was the best. She wrote Jolene and I will always love you in the same day.

SPEAKER_00 57:20

I know. Um, when I was in first grade, I found this really beautiful blue ring. And of course, being seven years old or whatever, I thought it was worth like millions of dollars. Yes. And I was wearing it and it was too big for me. And I was at chapel. And I don't know if you know Chapel is the like little church that private kid private school kids go to on Friday mornings. Okay. And we recite Psalm 100 like a little cult. Yeah. And then like I said, they really and turned out well. Anyway, I um lost it and then I found it. And I was just so in love with this ring, and I can't even I don't even know where I got it from. And then I was like, I had my hands behind my back in my chair at chapel, and I um dropped it. And my teacher, Mrs. Bomble Jay, she came by and she like picked it up, and for some reason I was like too scared to ask for it back or tell her that it was mine, and so it was just gone. So I feel like I would want to know what Mrs. Bomble Jay did with my beautiful blue multi-million dollar ring.

SPEAKER_01 58:25

She probably threw it away because it was worth 30 cents.

SPEAKER_00 58:28

No, this was like a heavy-duty ring. Like it was like an adult ring or a kid's ring. I don't I think it was like an adult ring. It could have been.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

I love that at seven you already were riddled with anxiety and you couldn't be like, that's mine.

SPEAKER_00 58:44

No, I couldn't.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

Oh, I would have been like, that's mine.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

No, I was so terrified to be like, you picked up my ring at chapel. Can I have it back? At chapel. I just can't like see you in this like Christian school. Okay, one tip at chapel. I was having the lousiest day of my life. I think I was in second grade.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Poor baby.

SPEAKER_00 59:06

I hate when my little one has like and this was not this was not the day that I showed up in my Halloween costume and nobody else was in there. So this was a different day. Ashley's first drama. So um we I can't remember the like uh what happened first, but I was out on the playground and I was with my friends, and I remember one of them, her name was Anna, and she was this little tiny blonde gymnast. And um, I was like walking behind her when she decided to like to do like a little roundup, like a cartwheel, and kicked me right in the face.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

Did you go down? No, I didn't. I can see her face on the eyes.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Are you gonna cry? You're gonna cry. So then later that day, it was Friday, apparently, we go to chapel and they were like the seats in the chapel were like just those like they had like the brown cushion bottom and like the brown cushion back. They weren't anything special.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

And I was um we had to line up girl boy, girl boy, and that's how we had to sit at chapel. Probably so like the little girls wouldn't talk to the little girls, like so it like we wouldn't talk to each other. The boys wouldn't talk about weather and the girls wouldn't talk about the boys. Yeah, basically. Thanks, Randy Travis. So um I was sitting next to my little like boyfriend crush. Oh, what was his name? Zach. Love that. And um I was really excited because I got to sit next to him at chapel and we're your face was all fucked up. I had like an ice pack, I had to carry an ice pack on my face the rest of the day, and we were walking down the little aisles to go get in our seats, and Zach sits down and I like plop down on my seat. I was not a fat kid, okay. I was a normal-sized child. The fucking bottom of the chair gave out. And my ass my ass went through the hole onto my armpits. Needless to say, when our second recent or no, we had gym class that day, and my teacher maybe stayed in the classroom with her. She was like, We're not putting you in any more farm's way today.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:25

You know that teacher went home and told her husband.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:34

Something else happened that day too, and I can't remember what it was. I can't believe you've never told me this story before.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:43

I can't believe I had it either.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

Oh my god, what a terrible day.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:53

Oh, it was such a bad day. Such a bad day. For my teacher to be like, you're not going to gym. Oh my god. Yeah. So that's that's my other story of travel.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:13

I can't wait to die and watch that memory. I was gonna tell a story about Maureen and her bad day when she was in elementary school, but it has nothing on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:27

Next time I have a bad day, I'm gonna think about this. You're gonna think about that on the Halloween costume day. Oh God. Uh oh man, my whole body hurts laughing the heart. Um, so that wraps up my embarrassing story of the week. You know, first thing I do when I die, I'm gonna find that teacher and tell her thank you for not letting me go to gym. What an angel of a teacher. She was like, this child has had enough. She was my favorite teacher. I remember everybody hated her and nobody wanted to get her for second grade. And so when I got her, I was really upset. But she ended up being my favorite teacher. I loved her so much. This is right. If you're out there, she's probably dead. She might be, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

Maybe she's in heaven laughing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:21

Okay. So that wraps up this week's episode. Thanks for hanging out with us, and we hope you are just as stressed out as we were. I love it. If you survived tonight's episode, make sure to follow, rate, and share the podcast with your haunted BFFs.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:38

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SPEAKER_00 1:04:55

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SPEAKER_01 1:05:01

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